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Not-So-Random Walk Around the Topic of Randomness, with a Focus on Its Counterpart: Information

Not-So-Random Walk Around the Topic of Randomness, with a Focus on Its Counterpart: Information


Inspired by Ali Anani’s buzz “A Random Walk of Thoughts” I decided to write a few not particularly random things about randomness, since that’s something that we often include in our thinking, even without realizing it.


Let’s first state for the record that I’m not discounting the concept of randomness from a mathematical or scientific perspective. In fact, I’m quite comfortable with it and recently I even made a video on this topic, which I published on Safari. 


With all that out of the way, I’d like to state the case that randomness, when it comes to ourselves, particularly out minds, is a figure of speech rather than a reality. After all, randomness is defined as something that cannot be predicted in any way, exhibiting maximal entropy (or minimal ectropy, depending on how you see it), and when it comes to data, a sense of uniformity. In other words, randomness is the equivalent of complete lack of information, which is why information is often seen as how much we deviate from randomness. However, even in the most chaotic minds (e.g. The minds of certain politicians who have an infinite capacity to create chaos around them), are not void of information. They may not process it very well, or be fully aware of it, but it’s there somewhere.


So, what is it that obscures this information that we have in us, which when we manage to express it effectively, it transforms into knowledge and sometimes know-how? No-one can be certain about this, but I’m of the view that it’s lack of awareness, a state of unconsciousness if you will. It’s like our minds are rooms that when the light in them is dim, we have no idea what’s there and when we try to retrieve something we want, we end up bumping into something else that’s in our way and end up losing our train of thought, causing us missing an actual train sometimes because we are lost in thought!


However, other people have shared this view that consciousness, expressed mentally as perception and intelligence, is what orders matter. Some would claim that information is but the objective form of consciousness and that this aggregation of information is what constitutes a separate field that brings about order in the universe. Without getting too metaphysical, we can ponder this idea in a very simple way. Say that you have a few ingredients that you then combine in a very specific manner, mixing certain quantities of them, so that you can prepare a meal. The ingredients themselves are not particularly useful as a meal without the process that turns them into something beyond the sum of them. This additional value of the sum, in this case the meal, is the information involved, which can be the recipe of the meal. Of course, in order to prepare the meal some additional information is needed, which has to do with the execution of the recipe. This is why there are different levels of information in this whole process. And the more of it that we possess, the less chaotic the whole process is. In other words, by being aware of what needs to be done with the ingredients and doing that attentively, we apply consciousness to the process, turning this information into form. It’s no coincidence that information is comprised of the words in + formation, as Dr. E. Laszlo explains in one of his books


So, what about randomness in us? Well, when we are not aware of this information or are not able to apply it in a meaningful way, we make mistakes, deviating from the optimum process and the optimum result as a consequence. This deviation is what we often refer to as randomness, though it’s just our own disorder and lack of consciousness at the end of the day.


I could go on about this topic for a while, but beyond a certain point I’m afraid this buzz will start resembling random pieces of information, so I’ll stop here. I cannot claim to do this topic justice though in a single article, which is what the comment section is for. Cheers!


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Joyce 🐝 Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee

Nah--I'll stick to my guns on nothing being random.  It is our small minds requiring definition that make the unexplained thus.  I've often called math a universal language.  But it's the wielder of the pencil that limits its potential.

 

Our entire species is minuscule in the fabric of time.  Our blip on its screen will be forgotten.

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

3 anni fa #16

#15
I'm not particularly fond of the probabilistic view of the world either, but true randomness exists in certain analog processes, such as the radioactive decay of certain elements, or the shapes of lava lamps. The roulette wheel is not true randomness, as you very accurately observed, and I remember the case of one engineering student who had built a device to predict its outcome, given its initial conditions.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

3 anni fa #15

#14
To accept true randomness, one has to believe in the meaninglessness of probability. Which latter is, I think, a mistake. A roulette wheel, for example, might be thought to return "random" results, but it doesn't really... because it is subject to built'-in mechanical biases which will show up as deviations from the expected probabilities.

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

3 anni fa #14

#13
This is quite profound actually. In Computer Science, when people talk about random number generators (RNGs for short), they always include high speed as a criterion for assessing their quality. Now, most of these RNGs create pseudo-random numbers, but still, speed is always present. In other domains, great speed translates into high frequency, which is often a place where randomness (noise) dwells. This is particularly evident in sound engineering.

John Rylance

John Rylance

3 anni fa #13

Perhaps a clue to randomness is in derivation of the word, given as being from the French word randon, which can be translated as at great speed. This would seem to cover most uses of random.

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

3 anni fa #12

#8
There is this Canadian Psychology professor who talks about this matter, from a completely different angle. It's fascinating how these ideas go beyond one specific field (mathematics in this case) and find applications in various domains.

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

3 anni fa #11

#10
From the perspective of order, the difference between "outside the box" and "random" is clear as day. The former is an unexpected observation (data point) as you very well described, which however increases the order of the system. It may be different in one or more ways to the other observations, but it doesn't comply to some fatalistic uniformity, like a random observation would. Besides, an "outside the box" idea is bound to add value or offer a different perspective to the problem at hand. The chances of this happening by a "random" observation are slim. I believe due to the ambiguity of language randomness has received a much larger proportion in our thinking than what it deserves. Surely there are random things in nature but these are very few. To call everything we cannot explain or anything that veers from our expectations random, gives too much weight to the notion of fatalism. Because if things are indeed as random as some people like to think, what's the point of doing anything in life? Also, the fact that many people honestly believe that even our choices are random (or completely beyond our free will) is additional evidence towards that.

John Rylance

John Rylance

3 anni fa #10

I have noticed some peopl use the word random, where others use, out of left field, outside the box, where did that come from?, all phrases to denote the unexpected. The usage of random I find most difficult to accept is that one can have/make a random choice or choose at random.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

3 anni fa #9

#5
Yes, Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris, it's a complex philosophical landscape that also steps into the area of epistemology. It's important, I think, to recognize that often when we talk about randomness or indeterminism (not the same), we're actually speaking about the limitations placed on our understanding by the limits in our ability to directly observe phenomena. Our inability to discern pattern or causality does not mean there is none at an ontological level. Cheers!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#7
I responded to your gorgeous comment on my buzz Joel Anderson. Your comment makes sense of randomness. In other words it is the order in the disorder.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

3 anni fa #7

Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris I thought it germane to do so since your post and his discuss the same topic. Like Ali's post: "Now this one got me thinking. As you know from previous interactions I have a propensity to excursion down multiple random paths and thoughts about a myriad of things. Things that on the "surface" often go unnoticed, but if one gives themselves a second to just observe and think about any given thing, oh how the randomness somehow becomes interconnected, and like a rainbow--beautiful indeed. Yes in the coupling of random things there is good, bad or indifferent. But there is something about taking the random paths along our journeys that enhance our collective understanding through the use of our senses (mind, body and soul). A journey where if we truly embrace the structured and randomness of it all, we just might be able to open our eyes to see, open our ears to hear and yes even open our minds to interpret alternative views, perspectives and realities. Just maybe, within the randomness of it all, we can gain a deeper appreciation for both the random and sometimes maybe the not-so-random things that make up the essence of the fractals in our lives. Well done."

John Rylance

John Rylance

3 anni fa #6

In no particular order. This phrase suggests randomness. There being no earlier decision as to what the order that will be, which has in fact been decided. A case in point is the the announcement in Strictly Come Dancing of who will be in the dance off. It is always in two parts a given number staying then a pair in the dance off, followed by a break then a second given number staying and then the other pair in the dance off. This is always preceded by in no particular order. To me this a particular order, rather than a random one as the phrase suggests. This is random thought or is it?

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

#4
I agree. The two need to be differentiated. However, in such a short post, it's hard to accomplish that. Nevertheless, the two are oftentimes related, at least in our everyday lives. When we say for example "his actions are random" we mean "his actions cannot be explained with certainty."

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

3 anni fa #4

Interesting observations, Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris, to which I am tempted to add: Do not mistake Uncertainty for Randomness.... nor Uncertainty — which is an Ontological reality — for Metaphysical reality. Cheers!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I thank you for the mention and I am so glad that my buzz was an inspiration to write your thoughtful buzz Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris. There are so many ideas to discuss. I shall focus on one or two here. You wrote "However, even in the most chaotic minds (e.g. The minds of certain politicians who have an infinite capacity to create chaos around them), are not void of information. They may not process it very well, or be fully aware of it, but it’s there somewhere". I fully agree. If we notice the bifurcation map of the logistic equation we see that even in the most chaotic region we notice the presence of stripes of order. There is no order without chaos and no chaos without order. Based on the above-mentioned findings I find reading this and i quote from you buzz, "Well, when we are not aware of this information or are not able to apply it in a meaningful way, we make mistakes, deviating from the optimum process and the optimum result as a consequence. This deviation is what we often refer to as randomness, though it’s just our own disorder and lack of consciousness at the end of the day". I believe this is going to stay with us for when we do small acts we might change the system in unpredictable way. We are chasing the shadow of complexity and even small interference of observation might lead to more uncertainties. The hope we have is to continue learning and learning from our mistakes. Because of what we believe is a fact today might turn into a misleading info. The Newtonian approach stayed with us for long times. Apparently, as the world evolves, so uncertainty does.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#1
In fact, I am reading it just now having just finished viewing your video. Thank you my friend Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee, here is the buzz we were talking about :-)

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