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Why It’s Pointless Arguing with a Hopeless Optimist

Why It’s Pointless Arguing with a Hopeless Optimist

I've always been optimistic about the future, more than most anyway. However, lately, I've become more down-to-earth, adopting a more pragmatic and often skeptical approach to things. I haven't become a nihilist, but I'm not the happy-go-lucky young man I used to be during the good old days. Perhaps that's one of the main reasons why I'm so against the hopeless optimists of today, those who prefer to look only at the bright side of things, ignoring anything else. This stance towards life, also known as toxic optimism, is one that's gained ground lately, especially during difficult circumstances where negativity abounds.

It's doubtful that hopeless optimists mean any hard or that they try to make you frustrated. Just like innocent children who haven't even taken a beating or got involved in any negative experience, they think the world is all rainbows and unicorns, so they naturally want to convince you that this is how things are. If you dare to question this narrative, you are either overthinking things, or you are just a negative person. They may not advocate capital punishment towards you (most hopeless optimists are pacifists), but they'll judge you and perhaps even try to ridicule you. After all, passive-aggressive behavior is not unknown to them, and all this frustration you cause them has to go somewhere. I say you because according to the hopeless optimist, it's always the other person who's at fault. Introspection is something they disdain as it may reveal the innate darkness we all share, and that would shatter their fragile worldview swiftly!

Hopeless optimists are also quite militant often, though they'd never characterize themselves this way (that's too negative a term, and negativity is a no-no for these people!). They are happy to defend, often to a great extent, a particular cause, as long as it's idealistic enough to gain their trust and support. Sometimes these causes have merit (e.g., the battling of drug abuse, the promotion of equality among people of various races and genders, etc.). Other times, they are downright sinister, masked with some utopian philosophy or brand. Since discernment is not the strongest suit of a hopeless optimist, they often conflate the two kinds of causes.

As a result of all this, it's often pointless to argue or even converse with a person like that. Best case scenario, you'll expose the holes in their arguments (if you can call them that since rational thinking isn't a strong suit of the hopeless optimists). Worst case scenario, you may be tempted to join them and give up any sense of skepticism you may have. Again, I'm not saying that you should oppose them and adopt an opposing stance solely to differentiate yourself from them. However, it's good to stand your ground as much as possible before you change your beliefs, succumbing to peer pressure, or guilt-trip strategies. After all, this would weaken you on many levels, degrading your resolve and corrupting your sense of courage.

Whatever doesn't kill me, makes me stronger!

Friedrich Niezsche

I believe in the innate goodness of people and if there is one thing that this time of the year teaches and reminds us is that people are better than we often think. Nevertheless, since we've been endowed with a mind that can discern and disclose truths beyond our immediate perception, it's a good idea to explore the less positive aspects of ourselves and the world too. Positivity and goodness are great, but ignoring the negativity and evil in our world is not a good way to behave, for sure. We may get hurt in the process, but we are likely to survive this. And as Nietzsche said, "whatever doesn't kill me, makes me stronger!" And as a great verse from the Bible says: "Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be courageous; be strong." - 1 Corinthians 16:13. Perhaps it's not just faith that we need to defend these days as even common sense seems to be under siege by the hopeless optimists. Cheers!

Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be courageous; be strong.

1 Corinthians 16:13

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Fay Vietmeier

9 mesi fa #25

Louise Smith What a glory-AUS adventure that would be An honor to meet the "Bard" of beBee and thee ;~) Lifting cups of sparkly brew .. my head will likely spin While meeting many mischievous marvelous Larrikins Ken Boddie

Louise Smith

9 mesi fa #24

#20
Come Down Under Post COVID Fay Vietmeier I will introduce you to beBee's Resident Larrikin Ken Boddie as we live in the same city albeit on opposite sides not too close for comfit In the Aus Bush, it is very easy to meet the Quintessential Aussie Larrikin I know & have know lots - not just males https://www.theland.com.au/story/4881109/publican-93-to-part-with-her-beloved-outback-pub/ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-07/international-womens-day-tibooburra-run-by-women/12024228

Randall Burns

9 mesi fa #23

#22
LOL

Fay Vietmeier

9 mesi fa #22

Randall Burns That you would call yourself a "hopeless optimist" surprised me a tad Your writing reveals more than a unicorn ;~)

Fay Vietmeier

9 mesi fa #21

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic I am very much like you Lada "pragmatic & (somewhat) skeptical" This seems a good strategy: β€œScenario planning is a process that requires logic and methodology” Reminds of this expression: β€œhope for the best & prepare for the worst” – not sure who said that but it conveys balance of thought & reality.

Fay Vietmeier

9 mesi fa #20

Louise Smith You could fill a special city or nation with the "Larrikin's" you describe: "a mischievous young person, an uncultivated, rowdy but good hearted person", or "a person who acts with apparent disregard for social or political conventions" That could make a memorable destination .. with potential for adventure .. me thinks ;~)

Fay Vietmeier

9 mesi fa #19

Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris Balance in thinking & reality is often hard to find .. as is truth & right I really like unicorns ;~) they do seem optimistic. Might an ostrich portray pessimism? They often bury their head so there might be cause. Who likes to be around (constant) negativity – it is like oxygen leaves the air. Or keep company with persons that lack common sense .. which can easily cross over into a lack of thought or reason that borders on stupidity. This might be tolerated with enough beers. I, too believe that most people are β€œgood” .. but we are all human & prone to fall or be in error on any given day Without question there is evil all around and it should be recognized (although often it is mistaken for something less) Common sense is increasingly uncommon. Discernment is PRICELESS WISDOM is priceless I really like the admonishment you shared: "Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be courageous; be strong." - 1 Corinthians 16:13 Guard your heart Guard your mind Guard your relationships - especially your inner circle

#17
Agreed. That's why I don't champion the opposite approach (being a hopeless pessimist) either. Both are extremes, yet people seem to gravitate towards them lately, thanks to the polarization of opinions the media have induced. Cheers

Lada 🏑 Prkic

9 mesi fa #17

#15
As a construction project manager, I am aware of different estimations - possible views of the future or scenarios that can affect the target completion date. Scenario planning is a process that requires logic and methodology to provide appropriate estimations. The above is missing in the articles I mentioned before. The pessimistic scenario is only one of the possible scenarios, not the only one. :-)

I invite you all to check out my latest article, which is complementary to this one. It's titled: Why It's Pointless to Argue with a Hopeless PESSIMIST. Thanks

#14
Perhaps that's the healthier approach on the matter. Then again, sometimes it's better to prepare for the worse. In a project management class at the university, I remember learning that for every project plan you need to come up with three different durations for the tasks involved: the optimistic scenario, the pessimistic scenario, and the most likely scenario. This way, you can have a better estimate of how long the project will take. I remember acing that class. Cheers!

Lada 🏑 Prkic

9 mesi fa #14

#13
I asked you the question because (hopeless) optimists are not people who ignore the negativity and evil in our world. Being sceptic and pragmatic is a good thing, I'm one of those people, but I'm also an optimist. I just refuse to look at the world in the way some authors here and on other platforms predict it. Many articles related to the coronavirus disease are strongly charged with hopeless pessimism by invoking a society in which we will be chipped slaves and similar apocalyptic predictions. They present evidence from only one edge of the spectrum. Being pragmatic, I'm ready for any outcome. I also decided not to argue with anyone and give up reading and commenting on these articles no matter how I admire the author. :)

#11
I'd rather not argue with either of them. People who dwell in the fringes of a spectrum (any spectrum) are often difficult to deal with, in my experience. Good question though! Cheers for your feedback

#7
I believe we are alike, Louise Smith. Perhaps pragmatic optimism is the best way to go since it keeps us grounded but also hopeful. Thank you for your input!

Lada 🏑 Prkic

9 mesi fa #11

Zacharias, what came to my mind is a question: would you rather argue with a hopeless optimist or hopeless pessimist? :)

Louise Smith

9 mesi fa #10

#9
Ha Ha Ha

Ken Boddie

9 mesi fa #9

#8
Rule No1 for tight fisted Scotsmen. It's not a sin, Louise Smith, if someone else has paid for it. πŸ€”

Louise Smith

9 mesi fa #8

#6
Hope that wasn't you Ken ? Isn't it a sin to spill beer ?

Louise Smith

9 mesi fa #7

Over the every rainbow there is a unicorn Somewhere over the rainbow there is a unicorn I think I am a pragmatic optimist I try to accomplish something until it's obvious I need to stop & re-evaluate ATM I am finding it difficult to be optimistic about the future Not COVID but corruption in Aus Government that seems unchecked all to do with economics & re-election not about what people need to live even the most simple life In my job I don't see much Toxic optimism but rather a lot of Toxic Pessimism I have to keep remembering that I work in a bubble where my positivity makes a difference I think hopeless/toxic optimists or Pollyannas are afraid Afraid to try Afraid to fail Afraid of responsibility Healthy skepticism is part of most Aussies psyche After all, we play & experience a lot of jokes We are often called Larrikins Larrikin is an Australian English term meaning "a mischievous young person, an uncultivated, rowdy but good hearted person", or "a person who acts with apparent disregard for social or political conventions". You all know a great example, Hey Ken Boddie ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSZxmZmBfnU#6

Ken Boddie

9 mesi fa #6

I may be hopeless, Zack, but I’m neither a glass half full nor indeed glass half empty sort of person. Being an engineer, I prefer to think of the glass as twice the size it needs to be. πŸ˜‚ That’s after allowing for spillage of course, which reminds me, an old frail looking man went into a bar and ordered three pints of beer. The barman, seeing the old codger was on his own, asked him if he usually drank much. In response the old fella raised a rather shaky hand and said, β€œNo. I spill most of it.” πŸ˜‚πŸ€£πŸ˜‚

#4
Go ahead. I didn't coin the term :-) I look forward to reading what you end up writing based on it!

Jerry Fletcher

9 mesi fa #4

Zscharias, Toxic optimism. Perfect description. I'm stealing it!

Good one. a few days ago, I went to a friend to facilitate a small business deal. He's a friend of Armstrong. I brought him my latest article on a very important topic and we spoke a bit. He's worried. On my way out the door, I said, "Tell your friend [Armstrong] there's a shitstorm coming and [while adjusting my mask] this isn't it." There's a lot of people going to be sitting around blinking their eyes soon enough. I'm as set as I can be for what's coming.

#1
:-) I would never have guessed! Anyway, it's good to be optimistic. As long as you don't try to make everything all about rainbows and unicorns, that is :-)

Randall Burns

10 mesi fa #1

HaHa! Great post Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris I'll bet that you didn't realize that I'm a "Hopeless Optimist" Did you? Here's something that I don't think you've seen. I hope that you won't hold this against me and continue conversing with me. :-) https://www.bebee.com/producer/@randall-burns/why-are-you-so-fucking-happy

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